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richelieu ha scritto:India ..... in vista una nuova importante competizione ..... si tratta di sostituire gli ormai obsoleti Hawker Siddeley "HS 748" .....
India sets stage for $2.4bn transport aircraft contest .....

By: Greg Waldron (Singapore 46 - minutes ago)

Source ..... Immagine

India has approved a $2.4 billion contest to acquire 56 transports to replace the air force's Hindustan Aeronautics-built Hawker Siddeley HS 748s, setting the stage for a possible showdown between the Airbus Military C295 and Alenia Aermacchi C-27J.


Su flightglobal appare questa notizia..
The MTA will be a twin-engined transport with a maximum take-off weight of 65t, including an 18-20t payload, a 30m (98ft) wingspan, and a top speed of 434kt (800km/h). The aircraft is designed to replace the Antonov An-32 and Hawker Siddeley HS 748 in Indian service, and the An-26 and An-30 for Russia.
Earlier this year, United Aircraft president Mikhail Pogosyan told Flightglobal he expects New Delhi to eventually acquire 45 of the new type, with Moscow to order 100 and export customers to take up to another 60.
É un nuovo aereo da trasporto russo/indiano e ha una capacità di carico ben superiore al C-27J...però sostituirà An-32 e HS748...che ci siano meno possibilità (o numeri inferiori) per il C-27J in India?
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MatteF88 ha scritto:Ma non si hanno foto di questo JEDI? Il link della jane's dice ha qualche antenna sulla parte inferiore della fusoliera...
Non e' così evidente come il Command Solo, mi dispiace deluderti.
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Immagine

In effetti si tratta di un velivolo che ha dimensioni e capacità di gran lunga superiori a quelle dei modelli che dovrebbe sostituire .....

http://www.uacrussia.ru/en/models/cargo/mts/
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Canada ..... la competizione "SAR" diventa globale .....
Canada’s $3B SAR Contest Wide Open .....

A multibillion-dollar project to buy new search-and-rescue aircraft for the Canadian military — once seen as a likely win for Alenia Aermacchi’s C-27J Spartan — has turned into a full-fledged competition, attracting aircraft manufacturers from around the world.
Fonte ..... http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... -Wide-Open

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Signori "Alti Papaveri" dell' USAF ..... siete proprio sicuri che questi aerei siano da rottamare ?

Dal "Daily Report" dell' AFA di questa mattina .....
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Spartans Bring Power to New York .....

Three Air National Guard C-27J transports flying from Mansfield, Ohio, brought two much-needed diesel power generators and two Humvees to tow them to Stewart ANG Base in Newburgh, New York, to support recovery efforts after Superstorm Sandy ravaged the US Northeast.

These Nov. 3 flights were "the first-ever C-27J domestic operations missions," according to a release from the Maryland Air Guard's 175th Wing in Baltimore.

One of the unit's C-27s was part of the three-ship package, along with one airlifter each from Mississippi's 186th Air Refueling Wing in Meridian and Ohio's 179th Airlift Wing in Mansfield.

The Baltimore C-27 carried the generators; the other aircraft each brought a Humvee.

"It is nice to do the stateside mission, which is why a lot of people signed up in the National Guard," said Capt. Paul Mercier, copilot of the 175th Wing C-27.

The mission "was very successful and showed the capabilities [of] the C-27J," he added.

The Air Force proposed divesting the C-27 fleet in Fiscal 2013 due to more pressing funding priorities and the belief that C-130s could handle the vast majority of missions for which the C-27s were originally acquired.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... ility.aspx

The Fiscal 2013 defense legislation is not yet completed, but so far lawmakers have not supported this proposal.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... arder.aspx

Baltimore report by TSgt. David Speicher ..... http://www.ang.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123325021


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Three Air National Guard C-27J transports flying from Mansfield, Ohio, brought two much-needed diesel power generators and two Humvees to tow them to Stewart ANG Base in Newburgh, New York, on Nov. 3, 2012, to support recovery efforts after Superstorm Sandy ravaged the US Northeast.
Here, airmen at Lahm Airport in Mansfield load the two generators on a Maryland Air Guard C-27 for transport to Stewart earlier that same day.
Along with the C-27 from Baltimore's 175th Wing, one airlifter each from Mississippi's 186th Air Refueling Wing in Meridian and Ohio's 179th Airlift Wing in Mansfield participated in the mission.

Air National Guard photo by Capt. Nicole Ashcroft

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Gli "Spartan" della Air National Guard all' opera .....

Link con video ..... http://www.dvidshub.net/video/160269/hu ... ndy-relief


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Three C-27J Spartans wait at the Akron-Canton Airport in Ohio on Saturday, Nov. 3, 2012, to upload mission critical equipment in support of disaster relief from Hurricane Sandy.
Cargo planes from Maryland, Mississippi and Ohio National Guard units transported electrical generators to be used in the New York City area.

(National Guard photo by Tech. Sgt. David Speicher)


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Prossimo cliente ..... le Filippine ?
Indonesian Aerospace is the most likely candidate to meet the light, fixed-wing military transport aircraft requirement with its C212, Velez says.
As for the medium-lift requirement, “it is a close competition between the Alenia C-27J and C295, although we already have approval from the president for the C-27J,” he says.
Both congress and the president must approve military procurements.
Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 512226.xml

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Alleanza ..... ristrutturata .....
Alenia Aermacchi, L-3 reach new C-27J sales agreement .....

By: Craig Hoyle (London - 07 Nov. 2012)
Source: Flight International

Alenia Aermacchi has reached an agreement with its Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) programme partner L-3 Communications Integrated Systems, which will allow it to offer the C-27J Spartan directly to potential customers wishing to use Washington's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) mechanism.

"We have completely restructured our agreement with L-3, so now we have the right to deal directly with the US government on FMS," says Massimo Ghione, Alenia Aermacchi's vice general manager, marketing and sales.

Reached during October, the agreement will allow the Italian company to promote the tactical transport under either a direct commercial sale, or via its Alenia North America subsidiary. It could also continue to work with its JCA partner as contract lead if a future buyer requested this, says Ghione, who notes: "We want to serve our customer, as a prime or subcontractor. Now, we feel that we have more flexibility."

Alenia Aermacchi teamed up with L-3 for the JCA programme, which was initially expected to lead to the delivery of a combined 78 C-27Js to the US Air Force and US Army. The companies were last year notified of a decision to halt the acquisition after only 21 of a planned 38 transports had come under contract. The last four of these are now in final assembly at the European firm's Turin-Caselle site, with the last to be flown to L-3's completion centre in Waco, Texas, during 2013 for the integration of its US-specific communications and self-protection equipment.

L-3 will also be responsible for making similar adaptations to 10 Spartans for the Royal Australian Air Force, which ordered the type via the FMS system in May 2012. The fuselage for the service's first aircraft is due to arrive in Turin in late November from Capodichino near Naples, with service entry planned during 2015.

Alenia Aermacchi has also received a more recent order for the type from an undisclosed nation, with its current order book to support production activities until at least 2017. Further sales are being pursued in nations including Canada, India, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia and South Africa.
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L'India ha emesso la "Request for Proposals" per la sostituzione dei vecchi HS 748M .....
India Issues RFP For 56 Cargo Aircraft .....

By Jay Menon
Source: Aerospace Daily & Defense Report (AW&ST) - November 27, 2012

NEW DELHI — India has issued a request for proposals for 56 cargo aircraft to replace its air force’s aging fleet of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.-built Hawker Siddeley 748M Avro aircraft, according to a defense ministry official.

Under the deal, the first 16 aircraft will be directly procured from the chosen foreign vendor, which will then have to partner with an Indian firm that will manufacture the remaining 40. Out of those 40, 16 must have 30% indigenous components, while 24 must have 60% locally procured parts, the official says.

The Indian air force (IAF) is looking at several options including IL-114 variants from the Russian Ilyushin Aviation Complex, Ukrainian An-148 Antonov, the twin-turboprop European EADS Casa C-295 and Italian Alenia C-27J Spartan medium-sized military transport aircraft.

“The RFP made it clear to foreign players that they will have to select an Indian partner for this project,” the official tells Aviation Week. The first aircraft is expected to be delivered in the next four to five years, after an official agreement is signed. The entire deal is estimated to be worth $2.5 billion to $3 billion.

The program is expected to boost manufacturing of transport aircraft in the country and bring in new business opportunities for Indian private players in the aviation market.

The twin-engine aircraft is planned to have a 6-8 ton payload capacity, cruise speed of 800 kph (500 mph) and a range of 2,500-2,700 km (1,600-1,700 mi.).

The IAF is estimated to be operating around 30 vintage Avro HS-748 aircraft, capable of carrying loads of up to 7 tons. The aircraft were inducted during the 1960s to transport both personnel and equipment.

State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) will not participate in the project because it is busy with the licensed production of Su-30MKI fighters and upgrades of the Mirage, MiG-29 and Jaguar aircraft for the IAF, the official says. HAL also will be involved in the licensed production of India’s Multi Medium Range Combat Aircraft, once the deal for 126 jets is signed with France’s Dassault.
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Una nuova vita .....

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Alcuni C-27A (ex Fiat, ex Aeritalia, ex Alenia G222) appartenenti alle forze aeree dell'Afghanistan .....

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Importante consegna .....
..... la fusoliera del primo dei dieci C-27J ordinati dall' Australia è arrivata a Torino .....
Alenia Aermacchi receives first Australian C-27J fuselage .....

By: Greg Waldron Singapore (6 hours ago - December 19)
Source: Flight International


The fuselage of Australia's first Alenia Aermacchi C-27J tactical transport has arrived at the company's Turin factory for final assembly.

The fuselage was delivered by truck and sea after being produced at Alenia's Capodichino Naples site, says Alenia.

In May 2012, Australia placed an order for ten C-27Js through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme. The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) will receive its first example in early 2015.

The C-27J succeeds the de Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou aircraft under the AIR 8000 Phase 2 requirement. Although popular with the RAAF, the obsolescent Caribou was retired in 2009. The C-27J's rival for the requirement was the Airbus Military C-295.

One concern with the Caribou had been its inability to operate in all but the most permissible airspace. Aside from being considerably faster and more manoeuvrable than the Caribou, the C-27J will also be equipped with missile warning systems, electronic self protection and battlefield armour. This will help it defeat threats from small arms fires and man portable air defence systems.

In addition, the C-27J offers significant commonality with the C-130J. Alenia representatives have said the "J" designation of the C-27J is aimed at highlighting the similarities between the two types. Both are powered by the Rolls-Royce AE2100 turboprop, and have similar avionics and cargo handling systems.
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richelieu ha scritto:Importante consegna .....
..... la fusoliera del primo dei dieci C-27J ordinati dall' Australia è arrivata a Torino .....
Chissa' se gli australiani ci proveranno anche con lo Spartan a fare il wheelbarrow :)
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U.S. Air Force Halts Troubled Afghan Air Force Transport Deal

U.S. Air Force officials have decided not to renew a contract with Alenia North America to support and induct the small, Italian-made C-27A transport aircraft into the Afghan Air Force.

The decision, provided by the Air Force via letter Dec. 18, is the latest in a string of disappointments for Italian Aerospace conglomerate Finmeccanica as it has sought to boost its U.S. business.

Last February, the Air Force abruptly halted purchases of Alenia’s C-27J Spartan for use by U.S. forces, In addition, Finmeccanica’s AgustaWestland rotorcraft in 2009 lost the joint program with Lockheed Martin to build the next-generation Marine One presidential helicopter.

The Afghan transport decision leaves Alenia little stateside work beyond March.

The moves come after what Air Force officials called “failed attempts” by Alenia to “generate a sufficient number of fully mission-capable aircraft for effective [Afghan Air Force] airlift capability.” According to Ed Gulick, a service spokesman, “Though the Air Force assisted Alenia throughout the program in an effort to help the program succeed, Alenia struggled to consistently achieve key contractual requirements.”

An industry official says Alenia is exploring whether it has any recourse to the decision. As the decision is not a contract termination, there is little opportunity for significant termination liability costs to be reimbursed. And without a major U.S. prime contractor involved, the company does not have significant weight in Congress to seek political help outside the Pentagon.

In 2008, the U.S. paid $314 million for the purchase of 20 former Italian Air Force G.222s — designated the C-27A by the Air Force — to give to the fledging Afghan National Army Air Corps, later the Afghan Air Force, an independent tactical transport capability to replace Soviet-era Antonov An-32s.

However, their introduction to service has been far from smooth. Only 16 of the aircraft have been delivered to Afghanistan, with four remaining in Italy. Despite a deployed team of contractors, the aircraft struggled with serviceability issues and have been grounded twice — once in December 2011 on airworthiness grounds, and again in March 2012 because of safety issues that delayed the training of Afghan personnel. That forced the use of smaller Cessna 208 Caravans and Mi-17 helicopters for transport operations.
Company response

While acknowledging problems with the aircraft’s introduction, a company official says the C-27A fleet is now exceeding the requirements laid down by the U.S. Air Force. The industry official says the company was sent notices warning it of contract deficiencies, but never received Air Force feedback from its responses. Furthermore, Alenia says the contract signed in March was undefinitized.

“Conservatively, we spent around $20 million of our own money sourcing new parts for these aircraft, that was spent in good faith to retain the contract,” the industry official said. The company sourced parts from G.222s stored in Argentina to keep the Afghan fleet going and brought in new contractors, including Dyncorp International for engineering and training and General Dynamics for translation services. Engineers were limited by hangar slots as they worked on the aircraft.

The company official says there are now between 10-12 aircraft available for missions, significantly more than the six required by the U.S. Air Force.

Around $600 million has now been spent on the program, and the industry official believes that spending another $60 million would ensure the type’s continued operation. This would cost less than introducing a new type such as the C-130, according to the industry official, who says such a move would require the retraining of personnel on a more complex system.

In a statement, an Alenia spokesman said the company was committed to the success of the G.222 program and the U.S. Air Force as it stands up a trained and capable Afghan Air Force. “Our team works tirelessly to support the program, meet our commitments and swiftly address any concern, big or small, even those connected to other parties,” the company said.

“We stand behind the G.222 airplane, arguably one of the safest, most durable cargo aircraft in history – well suited for the mission,” the company added. “The company is weighing its options and plans to meet with stakeholders to discuss the status of the program, as well as the investment and progress made to date.”

Suspending flights

The NATO Training Mission and the Air Force will suspend C-27A flight operations in Afghanistan in the coming weeks, but no decision has been made on the final disposition of the aircraft and the associated support equipment and spare parts.

Gulick says, “U.S. Air Force leadership continues to recognize and support Afghanistan’s need for a sustained medium airlift capability to meet current and future Afghan national security requirements. U.S. and Afghan Air Force leadership are engaged in talks with Department of Defense officials on the next steps.”
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Mi limito a sottolineare questo passaggio dall' articolo di "AW&ST" postato da MatteF88 .....
Last February, the Air Force abruptly halted purchases of Alenia’s C-27J Spartan for use by U.S. forces.
In addition, Finmeccanica’s AgustaWestland rotorcraft in 2009 lost the joint program with Lockheed Martin to build the next-generation Marine One presidential helicopter.

Nel primo caso ..... la pervicace ostilità dell' USAF nei confronti dell' US Army ..... che la portò dapprima allo scippo del programma ..... e successivamente al suo quasi totale affossamento ..... non senza la complicità di un certo gruppo industriale interessato a vendere i propri aerei .....

Nel secondo ..... la palese idiozia e paranoia dei servizi segreti USA che pretendevano di trasformare un elicottero in una sorta di VC-25 ..... una chiara mission impossible che ha fornito così ad un Presidente evidentemente protezionista (ma qui da noi tanto acclamato) il pretesto per cancellare l 'intero programma .....

Ora la terza tegola .....

Grazie Stati Uniti ..... mi auguro di tutto cuore che il vostro tanto decantato programma JSF coli presto a picco .....

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Basta vedere anche che cosa hanno combinato con il KC-X...
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MatteF88 ha scritto:Basta vedere anche che cosa hanno combinato con il KC-X ...
Hai ragione ..... non ci avevo pensato .....
D'altronde ..... mi sono soffermato soltanto sul lato italiano della vicenda.
Mi sembra però lecito domandarmi come sia possibile che Finmeccanica abbia potuto (o voluto) tirare una simile bidonata agli Stati Uniti (col conseguente rischio di rovinarsi la reputazione) ..... sempre che di bidonata si tratti e non ci sia invece dietro dell' altro .....

"A pensar male" ..... come diceva quel tizio ..... :mrgreen:

Articolo del "WSJ" ..... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 58668.html

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richelieu ha scritto:sempre che di bidonata si tratti e non ci sia invece dietro dell' altro .....
Cercando tra le news compare questa:
December 29, 2012: The Afghan Air Force is getting rid of its 16 Italian made C-27 transports. The main reason is inability to maintain the aircraft. Corruption and a lack of sufficient Afghans with the needed skills was the main reason.
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/afghan/ ... 30105.aspx

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PS: gli dessero i C-27J che gli yankee non vogliono più ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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alcuni dicono che sia in risposta al riconoscimento della Palestina come stato osservatore all''ONU...cosa ne pensate'?
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Filippo94 ha scritto:alcuni dicono che sia in risposta al riconoscimento della Palestina come stato osservatore all''ONU...cosa ne pensate'?
Che dire ?
Se entra in campo la politica ..... qualsiasi ipotesi diventa possibile.
Io ci vedrei comunque anche qualche opportuna spintarella esercitata da quella benemerita, ben nota azienda che, prima o poi, sarà "costretta" a fornire all' Afghanistan i suoi longevi ed onnipresenti aerei da trasporto ..... con relativa benedizione dell' USAF ..... ovviamente .....

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Beh Richelieu se fosse così allora spero che altre nazioni taglino o annullino gli ordini del nuovo "supercaccia" prodotto dalla azienda da te citata...
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A margine di questo articolo di "Stars and Stripes" .....

http://www.stripes.com/news/us-scraps-e ... s-1.202220

..... vi è una serie di commenti ..... e desidero citarne un paio in particolare che sembrano provenire da un pilota .....
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I can't comment on the J, but the A is definitely NOT a "superlative aircraft." True, it handles very nicely, and it is reasonably capable at low altitudes and low temperatures. However, under high & hot conditions in Afghanistan, it can't even carry enough fuel to safely complete a mission, let alone any cargo or passengers. The toughest part is just getting airborne--when I was in Kabul the mission-capable rate of the C-27 varied from 0% to about 35% at its peak.
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As a former pilot in this unit, I can provide FACTS:

1. This is not the newly-purchased and recently-cancelled C-27J. These aircraft are 1980-vintage, Italian surplus G.222 aircraft, very similar to the C-27As the USAF operated out of Howard AB, Panama during the 90s. They were purchased by DoD (not the Army or the USAF) with the express intent of "donating" them to the Afghan AF. For various legal reasons--and because the Afghans didn't want these unreliable, un-maintainable airplanes--they were never transferred to AAF control.

2. The performance of the G.222 is totally inadequate in high altitude, hot conditions. This makes the airplane unsuited to perform its mission a significant portion of the year in Afghanistan. DoD acquisitions folks should have known this before they inked the deal.

3. The G.222 has always required a lot of maintenance, something that the DoD acquisitions folks should have known before they inked the deal. Even fresh out of the refurbishment, they were often unable to make the flight from Italy to Afghanistan without breaking down along the way. The fleet in Kabul was plagued with fuel leaks, flap problems, landing gear problems, and several engine failures. That's why they were grounded from Dec 11 thru May 12.

3. Since the plane has been out of production for decades, most of its spare parts are no longer available. DoD acquisition folks should have known this before they inked the deal. I don't know whether Alenia misled them, or they just didn't ask the right questions. Consequently, most of the 16 planes on the ramp in Kabul were unflyable because they were cannibalized for parts to keep 4-5 airplanes flying.

Overall, the program was a fiasco, and its termination is long overdue. The USAF's inability to manage this program made us look incredibly stupid, so we lost a lot of credibility with the Afghan leadership and pilots we were trying to mentor.

A questo punto ..... mi piacerebbe conoscere, da parte di qualche frequentatore di questo Forum che ne abbia specifica competenza (e mi risulta ve ne siano parecchi), se le osservazioni che vengono rivolte alle caratteristiche del G.222 nonchè alle difficoltà inerenti suo impiego in ambiente afghano abbiano un qualche reale fondamento .....

Grazie .....

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Filippo94 ha scritto:allora spero che altre nazioni taglino o annullino gli ordini del nuovo "supercaccia" prodotto dalla azienda da te citata...
Ognuno cerca di portare l'acqua al proprio mulino e fare i propri interessi (c'é chi ci riesce molto bene) , non credo che alle altre nazioni interessi qualcosa se la lockheed fa lobby contro le aziende italiane..
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Ovviamente non pretendo che si annullino gli ordini per questo motivo ma semplicemente per motivi economici come hanno già fatto alcune nazioni
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Io mi limito a gufare nei prossimi concorsi :mrgreen: ..anche perché mi sembra che per ogni JSF cancellato il prezzo unitario salga e visto che già ci costano un mucchio di quattrini...
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A questo punto ..... come si può sperare che il "T-100" di Alenia Aermacchi possa vincere il concorso per il futuro addestratore avanzato dell' USAF o lo "AW101" di AgustaWestland quello per l'elicottero che verrà utilizzato dal successore dell' attuale Presidente USA ?

Già si è visto come sta andando a finire la competizione "CRH" .....
United Tech's Sikorsky Sole Bidder In U.S. Helicopter Contest .....
Fonte ..... Reuters (via "AW&ST") ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 533670.xml


Anche Boeing ..... che aveva avuto la ventura di vincere la precedente tornata ("CSAR-X") ne sa qualcosa .....
Boeing won the Air Force's last rescue helicopter competition with its H-47 model, only to see the $15 billion contract (canceled) after several protests by losing bidders.
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Re: C-27J Spartan (e c-27A/g222)

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Dal "Daily Report" dell' AFA di questa mattina .....
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Tactically Minded .....

The Air Force is establishing an Intra-Theater Airlift Working Group to determine how best to comply with the language in this fiscal year's defense authorization act mandating the restoration of 32 tactical airlifters that the service leadership intended to retire.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... Fleet.aspx

The working group will provide recommendations to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley by the end of January, service spokeswoman Ann Stefanek told the Daily Report on Jan. 4.

Donley will then announce his final decision on the restorals "sometime after that meeting," she said.

The working group will comprise representatives from the Active Duty component (e.g. headquarters staff, Air Mobility Command), Air National Guard, and Air Force Reserve, said Stefanek.

Among the group's members is Lt. Gen. Michael Moeller ..... http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=9143 ..... who's in charge of strategic plans and programs on the Air Staff, according to a release from Rep. Tim Murphy (R-Pa,) who is fighting to save the C-130 flying mission of Air Force Reserve Command's 911th Airlift Wing in Pittsburgh.

http://murphy.house.gov/latest-news/ene ... ift%20Wing

Congress gave the Air Force the latitude to decide whether the 32 airlifters retained are C-130s or a mix of C-130s and C-27Js.

President Obama signed the defense legislation into law on Jan. 2.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... esLaw.aspx


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"Here, a C-130H from Little Rock AFB, Ark., gears up for a night mission at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan, Oct. 25, 2012."
Air Force photo by Capt. Raymond Geoffroy .....
Alla luce di quanto sopra ..... senza tener conto delle arcinote preferenze dei generali dell' USAF ..... ma considerando le pressioni che vengono attualmente esercitate da un uomo politico che sostiene un reparto esclusivamente dotato di C-130 .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Murphy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911th_Airlift_Wing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/758th_Airlift_Squadron

..... quanti C-27J ritenete verranno mantenuti in servizio ?

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Re: C-27J Spartan (e c-27A/g222)

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Un titolo veramente azzeccato ..... proprio roba da "Comma 22" .....

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Re: C-27J Spartan (e c-27A/g222)

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Come volevasi dimostrare ..... proprio non li vogliono .....

Dal "Daily Report" dell' AFA di questa mattina .....
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Hitting the Tactical Airlift Floor .....

Congress' mandate that the Air Force keep 32 tactical airlifters in service that it aimed to retire in Fiscal 2013 effectively "equates to an intratheater airlift floor" of 358 airplanes through the fiscal year, said Col. Jon Thomas, program integration chief in Air Force headquarters.

Lawmakers, in the Fiscal 2013 defense authorization act, directed the Air Force to retain those tails—either C-130s, C-27Js, or a mix—to ensure there's enough direct airlift support of ground forces.

With C-130s spread over all three Air Force components, the newly formed Intra-Theater Airlift Working Group has its work cut out for it, Thomas told reporters on Jan. 10.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... inded.aspx

"They're going through and very carefully looking at all the inventories and where all the airplanes are moving" due to past decisions and newly authorized retirements, he noted.

Since Air Force Secretary Michael Donley told reporters on Jan. 11 that he does "not anticipate" the service revisiting its plan to retire all C-27Js, it appears that the 32 airlifters will all be C-130s.

Thomas said the Air Force still has enough C-130s in service that it probably wouldn't have to draw from its aircraft boneyard to maintain 358 airframes.

— Arie Church
Inoltre .....
Despite push for C-27Js, Air Force picks C-130s .....

The congressional directive to keep 32 additional airlifters the Air Force planned to cut will not save the C-27J program, Air Force Secretary Michael Donley said Friday.
Fonte ..... http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2013/ ... cel-011113

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"Air Force Secretary Michael B. Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark A. Welsh III hold a press conference at the Pentagon, Jan. 11, 2013."
DOD photo by Glenn Fawcett


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Re: C-27J Spartan (e c-27A/g222)

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Lungo articolo dedicato all' affaire G.222/Afghanistan pubblicato sul numero del 14 Gennaio di "AW&ST" e sulla sua edizione online criptata ..... reso pubblico in chiaro soltanto ieri .....
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U.S. Backs Out Of Another Deal With Finmeccanica .....

By Amy Butler, Tony Osborne
Source: Aviation Week & Space Technology - January 14, 2013

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"The U.S. Air Force is halting funding for Alenia to operate the G222 fleet in Afghanistan and train pilots there on the tactical transport." - tony osborne/AW&ST

The last few years have been tough for European defense manufacturers that planned a decade ago to boost their presence and, if possible, establish manufacturing sites in the U.S.

The past year has been a bitter pill particularly for Italian conglomerate Finmeccanica, which owns Alenia Aeronautica. The top two programs cited by the company's North American branch—both centered on a tactical cargo airlifter—have now fizzled in the U.S. market. A recent decision by the U.S. Air Force to end work on a training and support contract for the Afghan Air Force's refurbished G222 transports was a major blow last month, right on the heels of its decision last winter to end buys of a new version of the aircraft, called the C-27J.

The company was already disillusioned with its Pentagon experience after the abrupt 2009 cancellation by the Navy of the next-generation U.S. presidential helicopter program, for which Finmeccanica's AgustaWestland helicopter unit was teamed with Lockheed Martin.

Despite these setbacks, Finmeccanica officials say they do not plan to cut back their U.S. operations. “Finmeccanica's presence in the United States dates back more than a century and our commitment to this country extends long-term. We remain highly optimistic about our future prospects in the largest defense and security market in the world,” says a statement provided by Finmeccanica North America spokeswoman Angelica Falchi. “We are currently in pursuit of both near- and long-term programs with the U.S. government.”

Potential opportunities include a forthcoming competition to replace the aging Air Force T-38 fast jet trainer fleet with about 350 new airframes as well as an Army OH-58D Kiowa Warrior follow-on.

Finmeccanica North America's 2008 acquisition of DRS Technologies, primarily known for providing electronic systems to the Pentagon, is expected to be a major growth area. The company's North America operation is in the midst of a restructuring designed, in part, to adjust to U.S. market realities. Headquarters in Rome has also undergone a restructuring, including consolidations aimed at operating efficiencies.

The G222's demise is not only a bad mark for Alenia; it is the latest in a string of failures by the Pentagon to efficiently field aviation assets for Afghanistan as the White House presses ahead with plans to pull forces out in 2014.

The Army botched its plans to sole-source and field Mi-17s there. And the Air Force has yet to make good on a promise to field a light attack/armed reconnaissance aircraft for Afghanistan after a contractor protest waylaid its source selection process.

Meanwhile, Finmeccanica's hopes of establishing a stateside final assembly footprint in the near term are dashed. And it is nearly impossible for the company to meet its internal growth plans in the U.S. without these major contracts.

Unlike the C-27J program, which was outright terminated, the Air Force opted simply not to renew its contract with Alenia North America to support and induct the G222s, dubbed the C-27A by the service, into the Afghan Air Force.

The final decision was relayed by the Air Force in a Dec. 18 letter following two earlier warnings of dissatisfaction with Alenia's work.

The G222 program was Alenia's first as a prime contractor for the Pentagon. The Air Force paid Alenia $341 million to refurbish 20 aircraft—bringing five configurations of the G222 into a single C-27A variant—for the Afghan Air Force. USAF officials praised Alenia's performance, despite some early refurbishments requiring 50% more hours than planned, for which the company picked up the tab.

But major issues surfaced as Alenia moved forward in executing a second deal worth more than $600 million to train Afghan pilots and crews and support the fleet in Afghanistan.

The decision comes after what Air Force officials call “failed attempts” by Alenia to “generate a sufficient number of fully mission-capable aircraft for effective [Afghan] airlift capability.” According to Ed Gulick, a USAF spokesman, “though the Air Force assisted Alenia throughout the program in an effort to help the program succeed, Alenia struggled to consistently achieve key contractual requirements.”

An industry official says Alenia is exploring whether it has any recourse to the decision. As this is not a contract termination, there is little opportunity for significant termination liability costs to be reimbursed. And without a major U.S. prime contractor involved, the company does not have significant weight in Congress to seek political help outside the Pentagon.

Sixteen of the 20 aircraft have been delivered to Afghanistan—though not all are flyable. Four remain in Italy. Despite a deployed team of contractors, and a decision by Alenia to bring in DynCorp last March to help rectify the problems, the fleet has been temperamental and was grounded twice, once in December 2011 on airworthiness grounds and again last March because of safety issues that delayed the training of Afghan personnel.

While acknowledging problems with the aircraft's introduction, a company official says the fleet is now exceeding the requirements set by the U.S. Air Force. The industry official says Alenia was sent notices warning it of contract deficiencies but never received Air Force feedback on its responses. Alenia funded some contract activities, although terms were not fully ironed out.

“Conservatively, we spent around $20 million of our own money sourcing new parts for these aircraft. That was spent in good faith to retain the contract,” the industry official says. Alenia sourced parts from G222s stored in Argentina to keep the Afghan fleet going and brought in DynCorp for engineering and training and General Dynamics for translation services. Engineers were limited by the number of available hangar slots as they worked on the aircraft, the industry source notes.

Air Force officials acknowledge that 10 aircraft are now flying, and the industry official points out that this exceeds the six required.

Around $600 million has now been spent on the program, and the industry official believes that spending another $60 million would ensure the type's continued operation. This would cost less than introducing a new type such as the C-130, into the fleet, according to the industry official, who says such a move would require the retraining of personnel on a more complex system.

Air Force officials note that they will provide some C-130 support to help close the gap left without the G222s. Also, 26 Air Force-procured Cessna 208s and the Mi-17s bought by the Army are providing airlift in Afghanistan.

In a statement, an Alenia spokesman says the company remains committed to the success of the G222 program and the U.S. Air Force as it stands up a trained and capable Afghan Air Force. “Our team works tirelessly to support the program, meet our commitments and swiftly address any concern, big or small, even those connected to other parties,” the company says.

The NATO Training Mission and the USAF will suspend C-27A flight operations in Afghanistan in the coming weeks, but no decision has been made on the final disposition of the aircraft and the associated support equipment and spare parts.

Gulick says, “Air Force leadership continues to recognize and support Afghanistan's need for a sustained medium-airlift capability to meet current and future Afghan national security requirements. U.S. and Afghan Air Force leadership are engaged in talks . . . on the next steps.”
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Re: C-27J Spartan (e c-27A/g222)

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A questo mondo ci sono due tipi di rottami ..... quelli made in Italy e quelli made in USA .....
..... indovinate un po' quelli che contano di più .....
U.S. Developing Afghanistan C-130 Deal .....

Feb. 1, 2013 - 08:37AM | By AARON MEHTA

The Pentagon is working out the details of a plan to equip the Afghanistan Air Force with four C-130H transport planes.

“The USAF has developed a strategy to aggressively pursue delivering two C-130H aircraft in late CY 2013 and two additional C-130H aircraft before the end of CY 2014,” Ed Gulick, Air Force spokesman, wrote in a statement. He added that in the second quarter of this year Afghan pilots will travel to “various locations” in the U.S. for training on the planes.

“Air Force leadership recognizes the need to promptly address the [Afghan Air Force] requirement for medium airlift capability, and is committed to provide an effective and sustainable airlift capability for our Afghan partners as soon as possible,” Gulick wrote.

In December, the Air Force decided not to renew a contract with Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia to refurbish C-27A transport planes for Afghanistan, citing poor performance from the Italian company. Although the contract, which expires in March, called for 20 of the transport planes to be delivered, the aircraft spent much of the last year grounded due to maintenance issues.

“C-130s will let Afghanis start to build their own backbone of responsive airlift to move troops and supplies where they need them to enforce stability,” Rebecca Grant, president of Iris Independent Research, wrote in an email. “With C-130s, they can use the huge network of over 70 airfields and strips built up by the Coalition and do airdrop too.”

“There are capabilities you want with a smaller plane — greater flexibility in payload and easier airfield access,” Richard Aboulafia, an analyst with the Teal Group, said. But the C-130s are “very capable” and can carry more cargo.

“It really depends on the mission they have in mind,” he said. “Having a mix of both might not be a bad thing at all.”

However, the C-130s have the bonus of being the transport plane of choice for the U.S. Air Force, which Aboulafia notes might simplify training and logistics between the two services.

The decision to move toward the C-130 is just the latest in a running battle between the two transport planes. In President Obama’s fiscal 2013 budget, the Air Force proposed canceling the C-27J program after concluding each plane would cost $308 million over its lifetime. Members of Congress have challenged the service on that estimate, citing previous Air Force studies that put the lifetime cost as low as $111 million per plane.
Link ..... http://www.defensenews.com/article/2013 ... /302010017

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E hanno pure una fretta del diavolo ....
USAF Starts Contractor Hunt for Afghani C-130s .....

Feb. 1, 2013 - 10:48AM | By AARON MEHTA

The U.S. Air Force is reaching out to contractors to gather information on support and maintenance for a quartet of C-130H transportation planes earmarked for the Afghani Air Force.

On Jan. 31, the Air Force issued a “request for information” on a federal contracting site regarding Contractor Logistics Support in Afghanistan. The RFI will initially cover four C-130H aircraft but leaves the option for “possible growth” in the future. The base of operations for the contract is tentatively listed as Kabul but the RFI notes that may change, as a site survey for C-130H infrastructure is planned in February.

“Services include aircraft maintenance, on and off equipment maintenance, back shop operations, technical, logistical support (supply, repair, transportation, etc.), manpower, training and mentoring of AAF personnel, and security of contractor personnel,” according to the RFI. “Companies may identify other areas that are considered necessary for successful maintenance and operations of the aircraft.”

One section that is bolded in the RFI includes a note on security.

“On-site security is expected to be provided by the Afghan Public Protection Force (APPF), which is an entirely Afghan security force that was created to provide over watch and convoy security as the US/NATO presence draws down to a level that can no longer cover security requirements,” according to the RFI. “Responders will need to hire the APPF to assume those duties.

The duration of the contract is “expected to be at least four (4 years), commencing in 3 QTR CY14.”

Responses to the RFI are due March 1 to the contracting office at the Robins Air Force Base Air Force Life Cycle Management Center in Georgia. There will be follow up at an industry day in April.

The Pentagon confirmed this week that it intends to equip the Afghanistan Air Force with four C-130H transport planes.

“The USAF has developed a strategy to aggressively pursue delivering two C-130H aircraft in late CY 2013 and two additional C-130H aircraft before the end of CY 2014,” Ed Gulick, Air Force spokesman, wrote in a statement. He added that in the second quarter of this year, Afghani pilots will travel to “various locations” in the U.S. for training on the planes.

“Air Force leadership recognizes the need to promptly address the [Afghan Air Force] requirement for medium airlift capability, and is committed to provide an effective and sustainable airlift capability for our Afghan partners as soon as possible,” Gulick wrote.

In December, the Air Force decided not to renew a contract with Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia to refurbish C-27A transport planes for Afghanistan, citing poor performance from the Italian company. Although the contract, which expires in March, called for 20 of the transport planes to be delivered, the aircraft spent much of the last year grounded due to maintenance issues.

“C-130s will let Afghanis start to build their own backbone of responsive airlift to move troops and supplies where they need them to enforce stability,” Rebecca Grant, president of Iris Independent Research, wrote in an email. “With C-130s, they can use the huge network of over 70 airfields and strips built up by the Coalition and do airdrop too.”

“There are capabilities you want with a smaller plane — greater flexibility in payload and easier airfield access,” Richard Aboulafia, an analyst with the Teal Group, said. But the C-130s are “very capable” and can carry more cargo.

“It really depends on the mission they have in mind,” he said. “Having a mix of both might not be a bad thing at all.”

However, the C-130s have the bonus of being the transport plane of choice for the U.S. Air Force, which Aboulafia notes might simplify training and logistics between the two services.

The decision to move toward the C-130 is just the latest in a running battle between the two transport planes. In President Obama’s fiscal 2013 budget, the Air Force proposed canceling the C-27J program after concluding each plane would cost $308 million over its lifetime. Members of Congress have challenged the service on that estimate, citing previous Air Force studies that put the lifetime cost as low as $111 million per plane.
Link ..... http://www.defensenews.com/article/2013 ... nav%7Chead

Un sentito ringraziamento al Presidente Obama, all' intera USAF e, ovviamente, a Lockheed Martin ..... :pottytrain2:
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E Alenia si difende .....
It remains unclear what the Air Force will do with the 16 G222 aircraft that have been already been delivered to Afghanistan, or how Afghan forces will provide airlift for troops after the Alenia contract ends in March and before the first two C-130s arrive in Afghanistan later this year.

Alenia defends its work on the program, and says the twin-engine G222, an earlier model of Alenia's C-27J cargo plane, is one of the safest, most durable cargo planes available.

An Alenia spokesman said the company was in talks with U.S. lawmakers about the Air Force's decision to back away from the G222 deal, and what could be done to ensure that Afghan forces had continued airlift capability until the C-130s arrived.

He said the program was on budget and meeting or exceeding requirements at this point after an admittedly rocky start. "We're flying missions every day," said the spokesman.

"We're not disputing the Air Force's decision to bring in C-130s; that's their prerogative," said the spokesman. "We just want to see if there's a way to continue providing airlift until those other planes get there."
Fonte ..... http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... 8A20130131
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Re: C-27J Spartan (e c-27A/g222)

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incredibile...

...il patriottismo americano a volte raggiunge livelli di idiozia veramente assurdi...
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87Nemesis87 ha scritto:incredibile ...
... il patriottismo americano a volte raggiunge livelli di idiozia veramente assurdi ...

O volevi piuttosto dire masochismo ?

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beh in questi casi penso siano sinonimi :D :D
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